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  • EnixLHQ
    Warlord
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    EDIT 3/16/18: Back to the Bomb, more DPS, more HPS, more Uber Strike Stacks.

    Reflect the pain inside you upon your enemies. Amplify it. Concentrate it. Make them consumed by it.

    This macro will attempt to allow you to tank effectively and resiliently while maintaining your key attribute as a Demon Hunter: mobility. It does this by using talents like Concentrated Sigils for AoE crowd control and threat generation, healing via Shear and Spirit Bomb, and a last-ditch survival proc with Last Resort. With this you should be very tasty target for the enemy.

    There are some ALT, CTRL and SHIFT commands available if you want to use them. If you want an AoE silence or interrupt, hold SHIFT for a Sigil of Silence at your feet. If fighting trash and want to reduce incoming damage, hold CTRL for Sigil of Misery. If you find yourself about to die, anticipating a large damage spike, or are just panicking, hold ALT for Firey Brand and Metamorphosis.

    Some things to note are the macro’s use of Throw Glaive and Infernal Strike:
    Throw Glaive will now automatically fire once per new target choice. In other words Throw Glaive will be tossed out to your target and up to two other nearby mobs and help lock their threat onto you, but won’t fire again unless you target something else. This allows you to have it available should a mob peel off or adds arrive in a fight, but otherwise not use it constantly. This will be most noticeable in multi-tank fights where Throw Glaive can accidentally steal threat when it’s not wanted. As long as you’re not changing targets Throw Glaive won’t fire.

    Infernal Strike, however, is used on cooldown. While it is nice to be able to leap onto peeled mobs or new targets, it is better suited for fight engagement and threat output of mobs that are already on you. Target any new mobs and let Throw Glaive pick them up. If the consensus is that you want a charge of Infernal Strike always available, however, we can always revisit this.

    Macro Notes
    This macro uses talent choices that are designed to work best in all situations. I have chosen ones that will maximize your threat while also maximizing your survivability.

    I have also designed this macro to be spammed at whatever milliseconds that works for you, or manually tapped.

    Talents and Explanation
    Abyssal Strike – Your hallmark as a Demon Hunter is your mobility, so let’s not sacrifice that. You sacrificed everything else already. This will allow you to jump around more and further to engage fights and grab stray mobs, should you have a charge available. This is also the highest damage-dealing talent of this tier.

    Fallout – This talent synergizes with Feed the Demon making it a clear survival winner.

    Flame Crash – You want to Infernal Strike a lot, so this helps make that a threat locker for anything that might not be targeting you.

    Fracture – Fracture is necessary for setting us up the bomb. The lesser soul fragments it generates will synergize with Spirit Bomb for both an increase in damage and healing when the bomb goes off. It is also the only talent in this tier that generates damage, and with Spirit Bomb’s buff that DPS is further translated into healing.

    Concentrated Sigils – You can play a bit here, but I prefer this talent for the longer AoE threat generation and damage. This applies to the sigil your Infernal Strike deposits as well, so you can fill in any gaps with that.

    Spirit Bomb – Focusing on a new rotation Spirit Bomb should now fire properly, making this the superior choice once again. SB does two things: Deal damage and heal. More importantly, you heal for each enemy you bomb, as you damage for each enemy you bomb. It’s the best talent for any situation.

    (Your Choice) – Choose what you prefer. I choose Last Resort as the others in this tier seem almost worthless with this setup. Why not just not die?

    Known Issues
    1. None.

    DPS Numbers
    Wrong spec for that. If you’re worried about DPS as a tank, don’t tank. While it’s true Vengeance DPS can also translate into heals, it’s not their primary purpose. Instead yell at your DPS to do their jobs. Remember the tank motto: If the tank dies it’s the healer’s fault. If the healer dies it’s the tank’s fault. If the DPS dies it’s their own damn fault.

    AskMrRobot
    AMR’s auto-balancing and itemization engine should not be overlooked. Squeeze out your best stats.

    BONUS – ADDONS
    Advanced Interface Options (POSSIBLE DPS INCREASE)
    Users have reported that by installing this addon and unchecking the item “Secure Ability Toggle” you will see a DPS increase. Personally, this seems to be the case. Target dummy damage increased by 5k and raid damage increased by 20k. Your mileage may vary.

    Old Macro in case you don’t like the new direction.

    EnixLHQ
    Warlord
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    893 item level, no legendaries, just two-maned Darkheart Thicket with no healer. Just saying.

    Thomas Fraser
    Sergeant
    Post count: 34

    Spirit bomb just does not manage to fire off well enough

    Remove fiery brand i dont even use sigal of flames and i can pull 6-700k dps

    But im also 967

    EnixLHQ
    Warlord
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    Why do you care about DPS? This is a tank spec. Those abilities generate threat.

    Thomas Fraser
    Grunt
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    Fiery brand is a defensive cool down it’s not about dps you want to maximize self healing and mitigation.

    EnixLHQ
    Warlord
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    Post count: 662

    Right. Which is why you confuse me talking about DPS and taking out the defensive abilities. If you want to save Fiery Brand as a survival CD that’s fine, feel free to do so, but it’s not used that way by raid tanks, at least not the ones that post logs. It puts too much stress on the healers not to toss it in on CD. Empower Wards and Metamorphosis are generally the ones that are saved in reserve.

    As for Spirit Bomb it should be firing whenever there are 4-5 charges to suck up. If it’s not doing it enough, either increase your spam rate or lower the loop count. I designed this running at 80ms, but find your sweet spot.

    Thomas Fraser
    Grunt
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    Actually if you use fiery brand when aggramar uses foebreaker you won’t get face fked you stay at mostly full health combine that with the tanking boots and resets the cool down of fiery brand much faster raid tanks do you use and it’s on my logs … I’m not trying to flame you by any means but you clearly need a better understanding of your class before you start spouting things off

    I’m 11/11 heroic with dps in the 65% percentile and healing in the 90% for every fight and I use fiery brand as a in between cool down when meta is not up.

    DirtForSale
    Warlord
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    Whoa, calm down there 🙂

    I have already posted something helpful about this topic in discord and the way to play the class.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331014443385225230/395049106684248074/furyon.png

    EnixLHQ
    Warlord
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    Post count: 662

    Actually if you use fiery brand when aggramar uses foebreaker you won’t get face fked you stay at mostly full health combine that with the tanking boots and resets the cool down of fiery brand much faster raid tanks do you use and it’s on my logs … I’m not trying to flame you by any means but you clearly need a better understanding of your class before you start spouting things off
    I’m 11/11 heroic with dps in the 65% percentile and healing in the 90% for every fight and I use fiery brand as a in between cool down when meta is not up.

    Oh. We’re going to talk about learning to play. On a macro forum. How quaint.

    What you are saying and claiming is wrong on a few levels. But this is the internet and you’re not going to hear me out unless I link sources, and even then it’s not likely. That’s okay, but let’s have some fun and go down the rabbit hole a bit.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17

    Take a look at this. Filter out to Vengeance. Look at the top 10 Vengeance raiders in all of WoW, world-wide. Go on. I’ll wait.

    Now, expand their fight data. Any fight. Look at their rotation. Find their mitigation cooldowns. Look at all of them. Now, this part requires a bit of math-which I did-but feel free to do your own, take the cooldown of any given mitigation talent, divide it by the times it’s used in a fight, and adjust for legendaries and items that reduce those CDs. Scribble it out on paper if you need to. What did you find?

    What I found is that 10 out 10 of the top raiders of the world use Fiery Brand on cooldown. Metamorph is used in combination with other raid effects, such as Cy pointed out above, and usually after damage has been taken. Soul Bomb is used regularly (hard to tell the stacks, but Icy-veins suggests around 5). Empower Wards is used pre-preemptively on phase.

    I would argue that these players know how to play their class, would you agree?

    So, if you have a problem with my design philosophy I can respect that and let you move on to your own things, but you are on a macro forum aimed at helping those who can’t play the classes they want to play as easily as you can. This may be due to disability, or they may be casual players with lives to tend to and just want to relax with WoW. Maybe they are like me and just don’t want to fall back into that “raiding is my job” mindset I used to have (if you want to talk tanking credentials I could bring up all my Wrath accomplishments, back when mechanics were much harder, and that I was paid to play back then, but really that’s not important now is it).

    If what you do works for you, great. No need to bash someone trying to help others achieve some level of competency. I’ll continue looking over my logs and adjusting macros to fit the meta or near-meta while you luck by with whatever you’re doing.

    Now, let’s move on. If anyone has something constructive to say please do so. If you’ve seen my other threads you know I’m open to constructive criticism. But if you are going to insist on flaming or harassing me and touting your own anecdotal experience as evidence, or demand the perfect from me, I will delete your posts and ban your account. I’m done with the toxicity.

    Thomas Fraser
    Sergeant
    Post count: 34

    It’s as i said before The only thing i would remove was Fiery Brand Its a Huge incoming damage CD weather it be mythic plus or not Everybody has there own play style

    Best of luck and i look foward to providing ( useful ) input on future macros.

    For the record.

    I did test this in the Demon hunter class hall.

    Your macro my gear and it only made it to 70 stacks

    My Macro my gear 110 stacks. ( and i use Fiery Brand for incoming Damage CD )

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