Will be a bit longer then I thought, but still should be this week before mythic 0’s
Hi all
Here are my latest tests along with my character sim below at 2 minutes,
Few conclusions
lower MS = more presses, not always better Frost DK really needs you to get every PROC, and fast so the below seems to indicate more presses = worse
My current posted version actually did the best, though that difference compared to others is likely crits so I would expect all 250 MS versions to compare
This also showed having more agency in using Howling blast when I wanted, in say Version 5, did not = more dps
These numbers could be inflated by 10-20K with crits, so take these with a grain of salt, my 404k DPS on version 1 could very well be more like 370 or 380K, but this testing has been my best.
Simc run on current Gear - 2 minute Sim - no buffs
FROST_ST_DW_Riders Current DPS rankings
Version 1 (current Sequence) 250MS - 404k DPS
Version 1 (current Sequence) 150MS - 326K DPS
Version 3 (Testing Sequence) 250MS - 399K DPS
Version 3 (Testing Sequence) 150MS - 368k DPS
Version 4 - Similar to version 1 in sequence, I have just tried to do a better rotation for when Pillar is Active
Remove remorseless Winter from it’s own block, added it into Cast sequence with other cooldowns
Version 4 (Testing Sequence) 250MS - 399k DPS
Version 4 (Testing Sequence) 150MS - 399K DPS
Version 5 - Similar to Version 4, now though Howling blast only casts at the start of combat and when you swap targets/drop target giving you control of when to Howling blast, I also have remorseless winter into the castsequence the same as Version 4
Version 5 (Testing Sequence) 250MS - 399K DPS
Version 5 (Testing Sequence) 150MS - 373K DPS
I listed this to show others my testing methods and how I adjust my sequences. and showed my current sim with the current Gear.
Even during my manual testing, I got 457k, not the best at Frost DK so I could do better.
I have updated the Sequence Naming conventions other than that the sequences have not changed, the above is just to show what hero talents, were tested and used by the Addon, I will eventually upload a Deathbringer DW sequence for now all tests are done with Riders
Changelog:
Sequence Naming
FROST_ST_DW > ST_DW_Riders_Obliterate
FROST_AOE_DW > AOE_DW_Riders_Obliterate
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hi dots, only 1 question, why Rider?
Deathbringer is the best build no Rider.
Riders was simming best for me, and also Deathbringer was going to get changes, which will hit this tuesday I believe.
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250ms is extremely slow for me. Most of my friends run with 50-70ms or 100ms. Try out and see if what you get.
Hey where in Raidbots sim can I change the MS?
I would recommend that you put your dmg cds on a separate keybind. Otherwise you run the risk of using them on a single target, which is fine for the boss but not for trash. If you have bound these cds separately, then take another look at your macro. After all, you want to perform as well as possible, don’t you?
That is what version 2 is for. Version 1 is meant to help those who have trouble with modifiers. I know a few of them whose fingers don’t really have any feel to them, so they cannot determine if they are holding modifiers or not. My goal for version 1 won’t be optimal, but for version 2, yes I have the CDs into modifiers so they are only used when you want, though that is all cooldows. They could be separated into more modifiers, or yes, users could use them manually.
I am also trying not to create too many versions/sequences to confuse users as well. I will do some more testing with version 2 to see if I can get closer to my manual numbers.
Never play this on cooldown
/cast [nochanneling,combat] Pillar of Frost
/cast [nochanneling,combat] Empower Rune Weapon
that would be 20 key presses a second at 50MS, which is quite botty and runs a higher risk I wouldn’t want to test at that MS but it could certainly run better at that point though I will leave that to users to test. it’s just spamming buttons and not a rotation at that MS, and if you use a castsequence in the rotation, it will only go as fast as 1 press every GCD.
I do use a cast sequence in my rotation, because at 250MS starts to be very slow/not optimal after 4 blocks, at 5 blocks it starts to have too much downtime where it’s trying to cycle through and find the last spell in the 5th block. lower MS would help this but then it starts not doing a proper rotation and just spamming spells.
For raidbots, I think there is a way through advanced options but I am not aware of the method at the moment.
I will continue to optimize Version 2, as noted previously this will be your best dps option having manual control on your CDS, I will also showcase this in the next VOD/sim update as most are focusing on Version 1 when it will not be your most dps, just for reasons of using cds’s when not wanting to.
You are correct for version 1 though, it would have to be a castsequence since they are both off GCD, for version 2 though these could be their own modifiers. but we already use 4 modifiers in version 2
ALT - Chill Streak
SHIFT - Frostwyrm’s Fury
ctrl - Soul Reaper
ctrl+shift - Abomination Limb
I feel like adding too many, would be more hectic though I don’t know how most of the community feels.
I suppose a test I can do as well, is using modifiers for Frost Strike, as part of the frost rotation is holding/saving runes if you just spam Frost Strike (without at 5 stacks of razorice) it’s not bad but you lose 50+ runic power and then when you are at 5 stacks it uses frost strike, so you wasted some runic power. This is also a problem I have not thought of a fix other than having the choice when you want it to frost Strike, I will try testing this.
I was referring to a Single target, and yes I follow wowhead and maxroll for Frost DK, right now I am strictly speaking Single target in all the sims so far and version 1. using no modifiers. version 2 should be comparable in dps to actual players sadly though Frost DK has not been able to do that. The highest I got in version 2 single target version 2 was 412k DPS when my sims @2 minutes are 493k, and manual testing I was able to get about 460k I am not sure how I can get any higher In version 2 when the Rotation has been set up according to maxroll/wowhead (version 1),
Frost DK has been the toughest sequence so far.
Once I am off work, I will look into version 2 more and see if I can make it better, version 1 though, will likely not be improved unless I find some nuggets of knowledge that I am missing, and that is at 250MS. Any lower and you are not running a rotation you are just spamming button presses.
Great work here. If I am using the WoWhead Raid Obliteration duel wield build would your GSE work and if so, which one? Do you have a ST & AOE for this build? I am new here and the way you have your strings labels makes me a bit confused. Sorry for the dumb question but any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also is this updated for TWW live?
This has both DW AOE and ST sequence, AOE is also for mythic+ Version 1 uses no modifiers, it will not do the most dps but will be decent and Version 2 of both sequences has your Cooldowns used only when holding the modifiers mentioned in notes tab.
Ms+100 works best for me. The only thing I would like to see added is a mod key for obliterate procs. And howling blast procs
I have done that, but not seen a great increase in dps from doing so, though it was a test at 250 MS, maybe would work best at lower MS.
I see alot of procs pop and not used. Thats a ton of dps being missed. Still good macro im just zoning in hard on it
I am working on it now, to see what I can do.
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Hi all, with some guidance the DW AOE and ST Riders, should be improved I was hitting higher numbers during my testing, still aways away from my Simc but for sure better, I have updated the sequences here.