# GSE3 PvE/PvP 9.1 (No Combo Starvation Or Gets Stuck)

**URL:** <https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463>\
**Category:** Patch 9.0+\
**Tags:** gse, subtlety\
**Created:** [June 25, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463 "2021-06-25T23:22:09Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/1 "2021-06-25T23:22:09Z")

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> **Update 2021-06-27: Did something I don’t remember.**

> **Update 2021-07-21: Updated the macro to support GSE3, and changed some small stuff. It should perform even better now.**

> **Update 2021-09-19: Updated the macro even further with my havoc dh structure, it’s a lot better now!**

Hello! I have just like you, tried everything and beyond here on this website. There are a couple good macros, but no great ones to the point where you could somewhat compare it to a Sim. This macro is mainly made for PvP, but should work in PvE too. It never gets stuck or gets starved of combo points.

This macro got inspiration from a lot of different macros here on this website, so I can’t take much credit. **Because sub rogue is a burst subclass, you will naturally get very high dps first, then go down to about half, or a third sustained dps**. I will however look to min/max this macro to the point of it being as close to sim as possible. It’s still very very close to sim, but I might be able to do better.

These abilities are fully automated without hickups:

- Backstab
- Eviscerate
- Slice and dice
- Shadowstrike
- Rupture
- Marked for death
- Symbols of death
- Shadow blades

The rest you have to do yourself.

I’m using this AHK script, so if you want to get better chances of getting the same results as me you should use it too.

> [@What is MS and how can I change it? Answered (With working AHK script you can use with Modifiers)](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/what-is-ms-and-how-can-i-change-it-answered-with-working-ahk-script-you-can-use-with-modifiers/7989):
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> Basically MS is the speed at which people are “pressing” the button that the macro is bound to. If you have a keyboard or mouse or a software program such as AHK that allows you to program a key/button to repeat, then you could use one set to a speed of 100ms. If you have mouse or keyboard software you will have to research how to do it as each software has it’s own method of achieving this however if you have no software for your keyboard and mouse then your best bet then would be to download…

Talents: 2233331

Made it so you can edit the macro, if you feel like changing it, I don’t judge! 😄

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## Usage Information

This is a PvP oriented macro,  
I will prob make a PvE oriented version at some point, however, you can use this for PvE too, with some changes to talents.  
I’m running at 30ms, but you can try run it on lower or higher.

Hold Shift + your macro key for kidney shot.

This macro contains 1 macro template. This Sequence was exported from GSE 3.0.48.

**Other Macros I’ve made** :

**Vengeance DH**  
[GSE3 PvE/PvP 9.1 (No Fury Starvation And Never Stuck)](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-macro-9-05-9-1-no-fury-starvation-and-never-stuck/24480)

**Havoc DH**  
[GSE3 PvE/PvP 9.2 (No Fury Starvation And Never Gets Stuck)](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-macro-9-05-9-1-no-fury-starvation-and-never-gets-stuck/24446)

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**Author:** ![Deezyl\_Fizzlepop](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/deezyl_fizzlepop/32/5549_2.png) [@Deezyl\_Fizzlepop](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Deezyl_Fizzlepop)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/2 "2021-06-26T00:51:12Z")

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Title is misleading as it’s not “the best”. It’s the **best** for **you** and it’s not even exported in the proper format.

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/3 "2021-06-26T00:54:44Z")

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It’s the best here, i have tried them all in pvp. Wdym wrong format? Just copy the code and import haha

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**Author:** ![Deezyl\_Fizzlepop](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/deezyl_fizzlepop/32/5549_2.png) [@Deezyl\_Fizzlepop](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Deezyl_Fizzlepop)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:10am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/4 "2021-06-26T01:10:03Z")

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It’s the best macro for **you** as I guarantee if I try the others I’ll get much different results.

That’s not how the format looks when importing them from GSE.

Examples of proper formatting:

> [@Bam™ - Frost DK One Button Blast](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/bam-frost-dk-one-button-blast/24366):
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> [frostytip] Hey Guys, I know It’s been a while, I hope you’re all keeping well. I’ve recently been messing around with a Frost DK macro. It seems to do me well, Frostwyrm’s Fury has been left out intentionally as its very situational. This macro is designed for an Obliteration Build, covenant Venthyr - Covenant ability is in the rotation. dmuAkaWjkvLMfrUfiv2fif)IGHrjhtPwgqptsnnu6AukBJO6BeQXrPY5KK1bIQgiLQIdcsPfQI4HQOyIecUOksSrcP8rvK0iPuvDscrTsvu6LesmtcjDtqIDIWpvrkdLqOLcsvpLIPccxLqQSvIs(Qks1…

[https://wowlazymacros.com/t/scarylarrygames-dh-havoc-macros-updated-04-30-2021/17167](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/scarylarrygames-dh-havoc-macros-updated-04-30-2021/17167)

> [@Bam™ - Holy Paladin One Button Smash & Heal!](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/bam-holy-paladin-one-button-smash-heal/20833):
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> Hey guys! Really loving paladin in SL. I have been switching between playing prot and holy. I love this macro for spamming some DPS, and AoE heals in mele range during M+. Let me know how you find it. I also use a WA to monitor my holy shock cooldown and an addon to monitor holy power. I’m currently playing a glimmer build holy paladin. dmKQfaWjvr6vQcywOQyxer)sfggcDmuSmu6ziQPjI6AiY2ej9neyCeLZHk6EQcvhKiSqe0dvLYefjUOQK2OQq8rvH0ifPCsrHvks1lvLWmvfv3uezNuPFQkugkQkTuvb1tjmvuPRQkrBvvu(QQuDwvb6TQ…

> [@monkaCat's BM ST & AoE UPDATED 5 April 2021](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/monkacats-bm-st-aoe-updated-5-april-2021/22897):
>
> Hi there, I’ve created two seperate Macros for my BM Hunter. Currently ~216 GS (Criticism-Eredar) rocking HC CN and Mythic keys. I only rarely loose Frenzy (Barbed Shot). Bestial Wrath and Aspect of the Wild have to be used manually as well as trinkets! Using Corsair iCue @70ms. For BW: I stop firing the macro, then use BW and fire the macro again. For Aspect of the Wild: I use AotW while holding down the macro key since it isn’t on GCD. My logs (please don’t forget to set it to HC, I pug…

> [@zzz Lutechi 9.x+ Fire Macro All-in-One](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/lutechi-9-x-fire-macro-all-in-one/18252):
>
> Welcome to my AIO Macro Series, it covers every possible talent combination. Give this smart lazy macro a try and look for my other classes or specs if you enjoy this one. Tell me while I stream if it worked for you or ask questions: [Lutechi@Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/lutechi)[WoW Lazy Macros Discord](https://discord.gg/PugfFrg) | [Support](https://www.patreon.com/Lutechi) dOuBfaqivjvNsvcnli6wcv7svs8luzycfhdLwgeEgfnnvfDniX2qv9nuGXPQKZjKSof6Dqs3tvs5FQsWaLIoikQfQQIhIImrvf6IcrBek5JQsXifkDsuOvQQsVuvkntHu3evzNk4NQsudviSuvL6Pu1uvfxvvsAROG(QQcERu1DLs7v0FvLkdM0HbwSe5XsAYsLlRYMHuFwkmAO40u61Q…

> [@\[Night Fae\] Convoke the casbah](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/night-fae-convoke-the-casbah/19779):
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> Take Balance Affinity, Mass Entanglement, mod:shift to switch from Bear to Moonkin and drop the hammer with Convoke the Spirits. Its core is a edited DARKBEAR\_8.3, so id like to give credit to darkonius/darkmanz for that, modified to be less general and to my liking, added in a mandatory 2nd macro as well for the covenant functionality. diuTfaalf1UOi6xkvdtHCmvzzk5zuPPbIRPQOTbsFtHACkLZbuToQkEhfH7rb5GQQAHkWdvqMifPlcGnQGYhPQugjf4KQQ0kvq1lvvYmvvWnbODsv(jvLmujulfO8uKMkq2QQk(kvLQ3sv1DLG9s6VsidM4WQSy…

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:17am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/5 "2021-06-26T01:17:14Z")

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Wtf? It doesn’t matter if you get different results, the results will not be better than this macro, because it’s not only me who has problems with sub rogue macros other than this. Sub rogue macros are notoriously hard to make right, i have tried 10s of macros and combined information to get this macro working.

Proper format? So it’s hard to just copy and paste? You want to see the whole list of actions? I’ve already told what abilities are being used.

Edit your post so it doesn’t clutter everything or remove your comment completely.

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**Author:** ![Takoyaki](https://wowlazymacros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Takoyaki](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Takoyaki)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:29am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/6 "2021-06-26T01:29:37Z")

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HIya, I’ve tried it at 50ms and 200ms plus just finished a 4 minute world boss fight and slice and dice/rupture never went off. Should I alter something?

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/7 "2021-06-26T01:33:48Z")

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I havent tried above 40, if you can’t run at 40, put 1 more each of rupture and snd somewhere in the middle in the macro, but don’t forget to add 2 backstab for each. I will test it out tmrw and see if i can make it better for higher ms!

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/8 "2021-06-26T01:36:14Z")

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I first had it going off too much for me, i had 2 of each in the macro. At 40 its perfect with only 1 of each, but i guess there has to be 2 of both if higher.

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**Author:** ![Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/christopher_mills/32/1138_2.png) [@Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Christopher_Mills)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/9 "2021-06-26T01:36:31Z")

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Thanks for the upload mate cant wait to give this a whirl…you are a god amongst men

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**Author:** ![Takoyaki](https://wowlazymacros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Takoyaki](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Takoyaki)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/10 "2021-06-26T01:37:42Z")

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I’ll try it at 40 and report the results. I am playing at a high ping so a higher ms plus adding extra abilities might be the way to go.

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/11 "2021-06-26T01:38:33Z")

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Just add 1 more of each of rupture and snd, with 2 backstab behind it so you get the combo points

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**Author:** ![Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/christopher_mills/32/1138_2.png) [@Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Christopher_Mills)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/12 "2021-06-26T01:38:43Z")

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I’m a regular button masher so not worried about the ms rating

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/13 "2021-06-26T01:39:49Z")

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Haha all good fam, I’m doing my best!

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/14 "2021-06-26T01:40:31Z")

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Oh, you might want to get an ahk script for it, so every time you hold in x button it fires at x ms

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**Author:** ![Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/christopher_mills/32/1138_2.png) [@Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Christopher_Mills)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/15 "2021-06-26T01:46:56Z")

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Thanks m8 worse case scenario I’ll just blame rngesus lol

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/16 "2021-06-26T01:49:48Z")

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I will try to find the place where i found the ahk script, i’m sure it was on this website! I will link it on all of my posts so people can use the same ahk script 😃

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**Author:** ![Takoyaki](https://wowlazymacros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Takoyaki](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Takoyaki)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 2:07am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/17 "2021-06-26T02:07:57Z")

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Switching to 40ms still didn’t seem like it fired off SnD and rupture so I added those suggestions into the next sequence and they work but only cast for the first time after about 10-15 seconds of combat even though SnD and rupture are the 2nd and 5th skills used in the first sequence. I’ve not comfortable running this as fast as 40ms so I bumped it up to 100ms and it works ok after that initial wait for the those two skills. Appreciate the work.

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**Author:** ![Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/christopher_mills/32/1138_2.png) [@Christopher\_Mills](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Christopher_Mills)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 5:30am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/18 "2021-06-26T05:30:09Z")

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![20210626_002752](https://wowlazymacros.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1ea264967e825a691d96429b344427313121205e.jpeg)

This is what I ended up with after 5 mins of testing…slice n dice did fall off but was only a second or 2 so no big deal there at all in the end still enjoyed it and looking forward to using it…went and punched the raiders training dummy for this test

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 11:00am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/19 "2021-06-26T11:00:49Z")

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Yeah at 40ms 1 pair is enough but above 40, 2 pairs is needed haha, i will try today to min Max it

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**Author:** ![Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/user_avatar/wowlazymacros.com/curliuni/32/8117_2.png) [@Curliuni](https://wowlazymacros.com/u/Curliuni)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2021, 11:03am UTC](https://wowlazymacros.com/t/gse3-pve-pvp-9-1-no-combo-starvation-or-gets-stuck/24463/20 "2021-06-26T11:03:57Z")

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Yeah keep in mind that sub rogues is not good for raiding, compared to its other subclasses. It’s just very good for pvp, however you can still play pve (raid/dungeon) but prob not at highest lvl. Sub rogues has really good dmg in a short window, perfect for short fights in pvp then restealth to regen CD. Sub rogues are not meant to fight for several minutes straight haha!

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