with all the chatter about BM being the worst of specs come 7.3…what do you think gween? time to start looking at MM spec possibly …or NAH?
[quote quote=53140]with all the chatter about BM being the worst of specs come 7.3…what do you think gween? time to start looking at MM spec possibly …or NAH?
[/quote]. Where do you see this chatter about bm being the worst in 7.3 I’m still pulling pretty good numbers and survival still blows
I am very competitive with the MM hunters in my raid. Any chatter you hear are min/maxers worried about being 1-2% behind MM.
I see no reason to not be BM.
Gween
Gween,
I’ve been using your AotB macro and it works great. Given the emphasis in that build on Cobra Shot, i’ve been using cobra shot relics (slithering/spitting) vs. jaws or pack. Does it really matter or if you are using way of the cobra should you be using the kill commmand buff? or do you believe ilevel beats all?
I’m just trying to figure out if I should use “zoo” and KC emphasis or not.
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with all the chatter about BM being the worst of specs come 7.3I am very competitive with the MM hunters in my raid. Any chatter you hear are min/maxers worried about being 1-2% behind MM. I see no reason to not be BM. Gween [/quote]
It’s not 1-2% it’s 10-12%. Join a raid in which all players have a rating about 95-99% in their bracktes and you will see the difference between BM and MM.
…or just look here: 99th Percentile
75th Percentile
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It’s not 1-2% it’s 10-12%. Join a raid in which all players have a rating about 95-99% in their bracktes and you will see the difference between BM and MM. …or just look here: 99th Percentile 75th Percentile [/quote]. I don't care I'll always play bm we have 3 hunters in our raid 2 bm 1 mm all geared about the same 920ish and the bm always come our on top mm has to many movement problems as to where bm does not even the mm hunter is gearing gvup his bm set to switchwith all the chatter about BM being the worst of specs come 7.3I am very competitive with the MM hunters in my raid. Any chatter you hear are min/maxers worried about being 1-2% behind MM. I see no reason to not be BM. Gween
I would tend to agree that playability of BM spec vs the MM overpower outlasts it…
Having said that MM gear DOES stack up in dps out put wheras BM DPS is going to be stagnanaant…we are good now but once the new Content comes and higher ilvl gear is used , the gap will only increase…hence people startingt o abandon this…
I personally like BM but also want to be a contributor now and later down the line as well in raids…and the way the sims are shaping up we are dead last in DPS once gear and progression of 7.3 tier raid bosses is in effect with no foreseable fix…
The buff we got now is not really going to last long…
Again I love playing BM don;t get me wrong but unless blizz does something about the stacking of gear vs DPS out put differential vs us having a stagnant pool of PEt dmg (gear does not stack on that!) we are in a world of Pain…Blizz even recognized it btw…but like with Survival hunters (Dumbest idea ever to make a ranged class melee) they won’t budge sadly enough.
Not in all cases. That said, at the upper end of relics, choices are limited and I just went with iLvL on relics. I will upgrade/sidegrade to better attributes when I can though.
Gween
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. I don’t care I’ll always play bm we have 3 hunters in our raid 2 bm 1 mm all geared about the same 920ish and the bm always come our on top mm has to many movement problems as to where bm does not even the mm hunter is gearing gvup his bm set to switch [/quote]It’s not 1-2% it’s 10-12%. Join a raid in which all players have a rating about 95-99% in their bracktes and you will see the difference between BM and MM. …or just look here: 99th Percentile 75th Percentilewith all the chatter about BM being the worst of specs come 7.3I am very competitive with the MM hunters in my raid. Any chatter you hear are min/maxers worried about being 1-2% behind MM. I see no reason to not be BM. Gween
Your BMs are on top cuz your MM hunter has got problems to master the specc.
But it changes nothing about the fact, that BM is one of the weakest specc in tos and about 12% weaker than MM 
It doesn’t matter in the slightest what the hypothetical maximum output could be. If you do 15-20% more DPS as MM, then by all means, do that.
I do not claim that there isn’t a ‘potential’ difference between BM and MM. Rather, my argument is simply that for most people, the differences are minor.
Additionally, I have a lot invested in BM in terms of AP. I’d have to invest billions of AP into MM to match where I am with my BM weapon. Besides all that, I simply prefer BM. It is more fun for me, it’s easier for me and I am competitive with it.
If I only cared about doing the most damage, I would drop the hunter altogether and play a warrior or something. I play a hunter because I want to play a hunter. I play BM because I want to play BM.
Your mileage may vary.
Gween
[quote quote=53177]Your BMs are on top cuz your MM hunter has got problems to master the specc.
But it changes nothing about the fact, that BM is one of the weakest specc in tos and about 12% weaker than MM[/quote]
Fantastic! You are better than everyone else! Congratulations. You win.
Meanwhile, us BM hunters are going to do BM.
Gween
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Your BMs are on top cuz your MM hunter has got problems to master the specc. But it changes nothing about the fact, that BM is one of the weakest specc in tos and about 12% weaker than MM ???? [/quote] Then go play mm lol I play what I like I don't try to be an elite top player I pay for the game and I play the spec I like I'll never play survival and I hold upwards to a million more in raid if it gets to the point where bm sucks I have a full mm set to go to weapon is also at 58 so I'm good either way I just like to be able to move and DPs mm gets hurt on movement fights . I have no idea what the new raid holds . It all boils down to what you like if you want to be too dps then switch specs. I don’t care I’ll always play bm we have 3 hunters in our raid 2 bm 1 mm all geared about the same 920ish and the bm always come our on top mm has to many movement problems as to where bm does not even the mm hunter is gearing gvup his bm set to switchIt’s not 1-2% it’s 10-12%. Join a raid in which all players have a rating about 95-99% in their bracktes and you will see the difference between BM and MM. …or just look here: 99th Percentile 75th Percentilewith all the chatter about BM being the worst of specs come 7.3I am very competitive with the MM hunters in my raid. Any chatter you hear are min/maxers worried about being 1-2% behind MM. I see no reason to not be BM. Gween
Also on rares and world bosses I always beat mm
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Your BMs are on top cuz your MM hunter has got problems to master the specc. But it changes nothing about the fact, that BM is one of the weakest specc in tos and about 12% weaker than MMFantastic! You are better than everyone else! Congratulations. You win. Meanwhile, us BM hunters are going to do BM. Gween [/quote]
It’s not about me, you or your raid.
Great that you have a perception that bm isn’t weaker than other classes or just a few %. The links I posted just show that that’s not the reality.
Somehow you assume me that I want you all to play MM.
No, I just wanted to say that BM needs a buff, cuz it’s one of the weakest speccs and 12% weaker than MM, that’s a fact.
Can’t understand why you have to react that aggressive to my post…
[quote quote=53173]I would tend to agree that playability of BM spec vs the MM overpower outlasts it…
Having said that MM gear DOES stack up in dps out put wheras BM DPS is going to be stagnanaant…we are good now but once the new Content comes and higher ilvl gear is used , the gap will only increase…hence people startingt o abandon this…
I personally like BM but also want to be a contributor now and later down the line as well in raids…and the way the sims are shaping up we are dead last in DPS once gear and progression of 7.3 tier raid bosses is in effect with no foreseable fix…
The buff we got now is not really going to last long…
Again I love playing BM don;t get me wrong but unless blizz does something about the stacking of gear vs DPS out put differential vs us having a stagnant pool of PEt dmg (gear does not stack on that!) we are in a world of Pain…Blizz even recognized it btw…but like with Survival hunters (Dumbest idea ever to make a ranged class melee) they won’t budge sadly enough.
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Bliz alrdy got that and there will be a aura buff with the new Netherlight Crucible system.
Here is the blue post: Klick
This isn’t what I claimed. I acknowledged that BM is ‘weaker’, but I am saying that for MOST people, the difference is relatively minor and BM remains competitive. I don’t have to be #1 on the charts to be competitive.
Gween
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Great that you have a perception that bm isn’t weaker than other classes or just a few %.This isn’t what I claimed. I acknowledged that BM is ‘weaker’, but I am saying that for MOST people, the difference is relatively minor and BM remains competitive. I don’t have to be #1 on the charts to be competitive. Gween [/quote]
Sorry Gween, but where do u get that for most people the difference isn’t that big?
Warcraftlogs shows the exact opposite.
Also for the lower brackets as the 10th Percentile.
I don’t have to be on the top of the dps list, 2.
But if all dds in your raid know the mechanics and play it well, what else than the dmg is important (for a Raidlead)?
Oh, I don’t know.
Fun, enjoyment, camaraderie, stuff like that.
But hey, I like math, lets look at those scores…
MM - 72.5
BM - 68.9
That’s a difference of slightly over 5%.
Gween
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what else than the dmg is important (for a Raidlead)?Oh, I don’t know. Fun, enjoyment, camaraderie, stuff like that. But hey, I like math, lets look at those scores… MM – 72.5 BM – 68.9 That’s a difference of slightly over 5%. Gween [/quote]
For me it’s not Fun, enjoyment, camaraderie and stuff like that when 19 other great guys that I like can’t progress just because they feel commited to invite me to the raid cuz they like me, 2.
That’s 5% for one bracket,in other brackets it’s over 20%.
Here is neutral sim, everyone should know: Icy Sim
Last post of me, don’t wanna spam this topic anymore.
Maybe With the upcomming aura buff all will be fine. We will see.
Keep on your great work, Gween.
It’s as also about mechanics not just about being top dps can’t dps if your dead got to many players trying to pad meters and ignore mechanics