5.2 Survival Fully Working with Lock and Load!

[michaeljrlynch]

So I’ve been playing with the rotation for Survival and using our leading zero technique to find some errors and some advancements.

My goal was to create a macro that would fire Explosive Shot and Black Arrow on cooldown. I wanted to make sure that Explosive Shot benefited from Lock and Load procs as that becomes some of our best DPS. With the following macros I have done just that.

Single Target

/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Dire Beast
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,Blink Strike
/castsequence reset=5 Arcane Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Kill Shot
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

AoE

/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Dire Beast
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,Blink Strike
/castsequence reset=5 Multi-Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Kill Shot
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

Where Blink Strike is you can replace that with A Murder of Crows or even Lynx Rush. I choose Blink Strike because it has high burst DPS and doesn’t use up focus. Lynx Rush is very good but more benefit for BM and not Survival.

I tested out everything on this and I can guarantee it works.

[darkgothdemise]

seems to work pretty good for me so far, nice job!

[michaeljackson]

Just a side note here Moonsorrow you can remove

/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null

from your aoe macro because Multi-Shot applies Serpent Sting to all targets.

I have also noticed not only because I use Murder of Crows but even without it these macros will eventually and at times (changing targets often) become focus starved so I found it is almost mandatory to have a [mod]Cobra Shot incorporated. If you have Cobra Shot on a separate button you will miss all the other casts but with a mod it builds and uses focus at the same time until you are happy with your focus level.

I still use my multibar macro set from the 5.1 thread which works well but will test yours.

Update - tested both mine and your above macros, results are as follows

My 3 hotbar macro - 94-95k dps over 5 minutes on dummies. Changed to Blink Strike.

Moonsorrows macro - 90-91k dps over 5 minutes. Also using a keyclicker at one click every 20 milliseconds = 5 clicks a second.

I saw the reason for the difference which is Black Arrow does not go off as soon as it’s ready (big dps loss), sometimes it did 4 Cobra Shots before doing the Black Arrow. The other thing I noticed is when Lock and Load procs your macro will do both Explosive Shots in a row which is a moderate dps loss. Ideally (and what my macro does) you want the dot to time out before the second Explosive Shot applies.

So all in all a great one button macro and only commented so as to improve, and by no means was any comments made to disparage your good work. :))

[michaeljrlynch]

Ok so I made a few adjustments to the AoE Macro. I also changed out for A Murder of Crows in it too. One of the reasons I had Blink Strike in there because of it’s no cost to focus.

So in my suggestion if you take A Murder of Crows, do not take Dire Beast. If you take Blink Strike or Lynx Rush then take Dire Beast.

Single Target

/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Dire Beast
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows
/castsequence reset=5 Multi-Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Kill Shot
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

 

AoE

/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Dire Beast
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows
/castsequence reset=5 Multi-Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Kill Shot
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

I honestly think my AoE macro might cause you to run out of focus. I’m thinking about taking out Black Arrow too as from all the guides I’m reading don’t use it with AoE.

[michaeljrlynch]

Blizzard changed the formula in 5.2 that allows for double shot of ExoShot with no overlap.

I’ll keep tweaking it to make it right, I know when I used it tonight in our HoF and Terrace runs I was pushing 100-110k DPS on average with 510 item level gear.

Just a side note here Moonsorrow you can remove /castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null from your aoe macro because Multi-Shot applies Serpent Sting to all targets. I have also noticed not only because I use Murder of Crows but even without it these macros will eventually and at times (changing targets often) become focus starved so I found it is almost mandatory to have a [mod]Cobra Shot incorporated. If you have Cobra Shot on a separate button you will miss all the other casts but with a mod it builds and uses focus at the same time until you are happy with your focus level. I still use my multibar macro set from the 5.1 thread which works well but will test yours. Update – tested both mine and your above macros, results are as follows My 3 hotbar macro – 94-95k dps over 5 minutes on dummies. Changed to Blink Strike. Moonsorrows macro – 90-91k dps over 5 minutes. Also using a keyclicker at one click every 20 milliseconds = 5 clicks a second. I saw the reason for the difference which is Black Arrow does not go off as soon as it’s ready (big dps loss), sometimes it did 4 Cobra Shots before doing the Black Arrow. The other thing I noticed is when Lock and Load procs your macro will do both Explosive Shots in a row which is a moderate dps loss. Ideally (and what my macro does) you want the dot to time out before the second Explosive Shot applies. So all in all a great one button macro and only commented so as to improve, and by no means was any comments made to disparage your good work. )

[michaeljrlynch]

@michael –

You think maybe doing a swap of ExoShot and BA might be better?

[michaeljrlynch]

Ok here is a reverse BA / ExoShot

Single Target

/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Dire Beast
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows
/castsequence reset=5 Arcane Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Kill Shot
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

 

AoE

/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Dire Beast
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows
/castsequence reset=5 Multi-Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Kill Shot
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

[thedynamite]

Moonsorrows macro – 90-91k dps over 5 minutes. Also using a keyclicker at one click every 20 milliseconds = 5 clicks a second.

Not a big thing MJ but 20 milliseconds would not equate to 5 clicks/seconds. Would be 50 click a sec. In either case the macro will go through all the spells using a clicker.

[michaeljrlynch]

So after doing some testing I found that BA being first was a DPS loss. BA needs to be up as many times for free ES. Yet when LnL procs with BA being first you might not get to use both free ES, so you have to move it up.

With BA being first: 85-88k DPS
With ExoShot being first: 110-125k DPS

I also removed Dire Beast as well. Dire Beast doesn’t do much damage for Survival Hunters. My normal pet crits for 14k where as my Dire Beast will crit for 18k. 4k damage while might seem like a lot, it’s not especially when you’re hitting for 100k ES.

Here is the modified macros.

Single Target

/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Kill Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows
/castsequence reset=5 Arcane Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Stampede
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

AoE

/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Kill Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows
/castsequence reset=5 Multi-Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Stampede
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

I also added Stampede. While it’s best to do during Hero / Lust it is perfectly fine to use it at the beginning of a fight too. Most fights in ToT are over 5 minutes (Horridon is easily a 10 minute fight).

[michaeljrlynch]

Also forgot to mention for AoE you don’t need the first Serpent Sting.

AoE

/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Kill Shot
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows
/castsequence reset=5 Multi-Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire
/cast [combat] Stampede
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/startattack

[matzeh]

Nice ones, i will try them. But isn’t it better to remove Black Arrow in the AoE-Macro ? It will reset the Explosive Trap-Timer…

[paul-eugene-manning]

Since, I do a lot of farming may I suggest only one extra line.
/castsequence [@focus,help][help][@pet,exists] reset=target/5 misdirection
and use a Cat to get the extra 3000 mastery by using [Roar of Courage].
I taken down 4 herds of Mushan by myself using the misdirection, and keeping the cats heath up.

[michaeljackson]

For survival particularly, crit is our main stat so I use the wolf/dog for the 5% crit. I used to use the cat and not too sure if it matters that much.

For the MD and using the glyph I can pull herds nonstop using the wolf and heal pet every now and then. I use this line
/castsequence [@focus] reset=target Misdirection
And make my pet focus - with this I can make the tank in raids my focus as well or anyone else.

Just some variations on the above post but both work excellently.

[michaeljrlynch]

I honestly don’t use ExoTrap often unless it’s really needed. My MS does enough for me to be honest.

Though if you wanted to use ExoTrap than yes removed the Black Arrow in the macro and it should work fine.

Nice ones, i will try them. But isn’t it better to remove Black Arrow in the AoE-Macro ? It will reset the Explosive Trap-Timer…

[scoped]

Just tried implementing this, but i cant seem to get it to work.

For some reason whichever line is second for me (trying both Black Arrow and ExoShot) it will not use that ability.

Any ideas as to why?

[michaeljrlynch]

[quote quote=6445]Just tried implementing this, but i cant seem to get it to work.

For some reason whichever line is second for me (trying both Black Arrow and ExoShot) it will not use that ability.

Any ideas as to why?
[/quote]

Make sure you’re using Macro Toolkit. Also make sure that inside Macro Toolkit the spell is purple and not white.

[scoped]

So i just logged back in to check what you suggested, and I am in fact using Toolkit, and also All the spell names ARE purple, but it only seems to be an issue with the second spell on the list.

[michaeljrlynch]

So i just logged back in to check what you suggested, and I am in fact using Toolkit, and also All the spell names ARE purple, but it only seems to be an issue with the second spell on the list.

I had a guild member mention that to me too today, I wonder if it’s something with Blizzard. I use a Macro keyboard (Razer Blackwidow) so I don’t see the effects.

Let me see what I can do to tweak it. Also are you using the one with Dire Beast or without Dire Beast?

[scoped]

I am using the one without dire beast.

I appreciate all your help!

Thanks

[sneakers]

[quote quote=6373]So after doing some testing I found that BA being first was a DPS loss. BA needs to be up as many times for free ES. Yet when LnL procs with BA being first you might not get to use both free ES, so you have to move it up.

With BA being first: 85-88k DPS<br>
With ExoShot being first: 110-125k DPS

I also removed Dire Beast as well. Dire Beast doesn’t do much damage for Survival Hunters. My normal pet crits for 14k where as my Dire Beast will crit for 18k. 4k damage while might seem like a lot, it’s not especially when you’re hitting for 100k ES.

Here is the modified macros.

Single Target<br>
/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Kill Shot<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows<br>
/castsequence reset=5 Arcane Shot,Cobra Shot<br>
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire<br>
/cast [combat] Stampede<br>
/use [combat] 13<br>
/use [combat] 14<br>
/startattack

AoE<br>
/castsequence reset=target Serpent Sting,null<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Explosive Shot<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Black Arrow<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Kill Shot<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Glaive Toss<br>
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,A Murder of Crows<br>
/castsequence reset=5 Multi-Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot<br>
/cast [combat] Rapid Fire<br>
/cast [combat] Stampede<br>
/use [combat] 13<br>
/use [combat] 14<br>
/startattack

I also added Stampede. While it’s best to do during Hero / Lust it is perfectly fine to use it at the beginning of a fight too. Most fights in ToT are over 5 minutes (Horridon is easily a 10 minute fight).
[/quote] what did you put in the place of dire beast in your talents if you took it out?